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Where Is International SF?

by Charles Tan

It’s tempting to label this essay as “Third World Science Fiction” but why limit it to the third world? One of the most pleasant surprises the Internet has brought about is the discovery that you’re not alone, especially when it comes to Science Fiction and its related genres (fantasy, interstitial fiction, slipstream, speculative fiction, etc.). Last year, for example, I was thrilled to find out that there was such a thing as The Apex Book of World SF. I’m from the Philippines and friends with the two Filipino contributors so there was a part of me that was shocked that neither of them cared to inform me that they were included in the book! This also led to the discovery of the existence of The World SF News Blog, maintained by the anthology’s editor, Lavie Tidhar. While a part of me was envious, I wanted to be a part of this project. It was a cause that I could be passionate about. After all, one of the reasons I created the Philippine Speculative Fiction Sampler was because I wanted to promote Philippine literature to the rest of the world. With The Apex Book of World SF and the blog, I’d be doing just that, along with other neglected countries–at least by the standards of First World countries, which, unfortunately, dominates the current publishing market (let’s put it this way: if a book gets published in the US by a major publisher, it’ll probably be available in the rest of the world but that’s not the case if the book was published in, say, India, Singapore, or even Australia).

Of course the first thing that I realized when I signed up for The World SF News Blog is how much international fiction has already been translated and made available in the English market. Take for example the following anthologies:

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[info]al_zorra

March 11 2010, 02:30:47 UTC 2 years ago

Um -- "Third World" has been dropped a loooooooooooong time ago to refer to states that aren't Europe, the U.S. Canada, Australia, etc.

Just to say.

[info]icecreamempress

March 11 2010, 03:38:55 UTC 2 years ago

Charles lives in the Philippines; the "third world"/"first world" terminology still seems to be used by lots of Filipino and Filipina people when writing in English, so I presume it feels useful to those people there who use it, and who would be self-identifying with the "third world" concept.

[info]al_zorra

March 11 2010, 16:32:37 UTC 2 years ago

Within our academic milieus 'third world' is most definitely not employed. And our classrooms contain a population more than multi-diverse. If you used 'third world' the students would protest this usuage. We're speaking of both graduate level and undergraduate level.

Love, C.

[info]icecreamempress

March 11 2010, 17:48:00 UTC 2 years ago

I don't know where your classrooms are, but I suspect they are not in the Philippines, where the term "third world" has not "been dropped a long time ago."

Please understand that you are in the US or Canada or somewhere and you are lecturing someone in the Philippines about his fellow Filipinos' self-identification with the term "third world." You are being colonialist in your zeal to stop other people being colonialist.

If what you meant was "Wow, here in {where I live} the term "third world" is generally associated with a reactionary and/or racist and/or xenophobic point of view, so as a {citizen of where you live} I find it very uncomfortable," your phrasing did not convey that as well as you had hoped. Instead, your phrasing conveyed the impression that you were policing Charles's language.

[info]al_zorra

March 11 2010, 18:17:13 UTC 2 years ago

I'm lecturing no one -- (I save it for the classroom :).

What we're both saying is that when in Rome do as the Romans, etc.

I'm in the most multicultural city in the world, perhaps, within perhaps the most multicultural academic systems in the world, perhaps (NYU was founded by immigrants for their children, when so many of them were barred from enrolling in schools like Columbia and Harvard). We don't use that term, because the students object.

We're not in the Philippines, though we have Philippine descended students too. I have students this semester from Uttar Pradesh, Maylasia, Vietnam, Laos, China (both Mandarin and Cantonese first language speakers), Jamaica, Trinidad, Israel, Ukraine, Korea, the Philippines, Japan, Sudan, Ireland, the new nation of Madedonia -- or at least their parents are from these regions. The students were either born here, or left with their parents when infants or toddlers. This is just one course.

Love, C.

[info]james_nicoll

March 11 2010, 19:51:43 UTC 2 years ago

Also, whisky was invented by little old lady from Leningrad

With all due respect to New Yorkers and while acknowledging your "perhaps", according to UNESCO Toronto is more ethnically diverse than Miami, Los Angeles, and New York City (although not if those three cities combine to form one giant robot/city - note that doing this is very hard on the inhabitants, especially once MiLANYC starts stomping around).

Toronto's diversity may well be related to the fact that Canada has the highest per capita immigration rate in the world right now and almost half - in excess of 40% - of those immigrants end up in Toronto.

That said, the Leafs still suck.

[info]al_zorra

March 11 2010, 21:22:08 UTC 2 years ago

Re: Also, whisky was invented by little old lady from Leningrad

Toronto is more diverse than Queens?

That is for the books!

That's amazing.

Thank you.

Love, C.

[info]james_nicoll

March 12 2010, 07:04:34 UTC 2 years ago

Re: Also, whisky was invented by little old lady from Leningrad

Small population in Canada + lots of immigrants = interesting changes in my lifetime. The future looks interesting:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/100309/dq100309a-eng.htm

We probably want to stop using the term "visible minority" before 2031 or at least redefine it.

[info]charlesatan

March 11 2010, 03:46:19 UTC 2 years ago

We also use it in context of economics. Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, third world. A more progressive (economics-wise) country like Singapore, we're more hesitant to label as third world. Or we might have just bastardized the term and using it in a different context from what you're used to.

[info]jolantru

March 11 2010, 13:00:43 UTC 2 years ago

I think Singapore tries to label itself first world. :P (and this coming from a Singaporean).

[info]charlesatan

March 11 2010, 13:27:13 UTC 2 years ago

Yeah, wasn't sure whether you're first-world or third world, so I went with "not third world" =)

[info]charlesatan

March 11 2010, 13:27:42 UTC 2 years ago

Sorry, I meant I wasn't sure whether Singapore was first world or second world.

[info]jolantru

March 11 2010, 14:07:10 UTC 2 years ago Edited:  March 11 2010, 14:18:10 UTC

It's okay. ;)

Singapore has first world facilities, but - as some pundits would say - third world mentalities... But that's another rant, for another day. *lol*

PS: Singapore has a dismal record for SF/F publishing. There was The Star Sapphire by Han May, but otherwise, local publishers won't even want to publish SF. Only very recently, there are SF books: Happiness At The End Of The World by a group of local writers, and another SF anthology (not sure whether the publisher has published it yet). Otherwise, the market is rife with horror stories, recipe books, memoirs and get-rich-fast/quick books. :P

[info]al_zorra

March 11 2010, 02:34:08 UTC 2 years ago

I just saw this:

http://www.asimovs.com/issue_1004-05/onbooks.shtml

omighoddessa.

[info]maryrobinette

March 12 2010, 02:02:00 UTC 2 years ago

I think it is worth saying that I asked Charles to write something for SFWA after reading the opinion piece you just linked to because I felt it was important to highlight the wealth of science fiction from around the world.

[info]benaaronovitch

March 11 2010, 07:16:11 UTC 2 years ago

I've just read the most brilliant manuscript by a guy from Kolkata called Samit Besu. He's already published in India and this will be his latest novel, hopefully to be published in the wider world(1). Called Turbulence it's an Indian superhero novel and the most fun I've had with a manuscript in years.

(1) Although considering the vast diversity that is India I'm not sure the wider world is the right term.

Anonymous

March 11 2010, 08:16:14 UTC 2 years ago

In Malaysia, the country refers to itself as "Third World" all the time, but more along economic development lines than the ideology that first drove the distinction (First, Second, Third worlds).

Kaz Augustin
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